Bishop Richard Williamson on gas chambers
In November 2008, on All Saints Day, British Bishop Richard Williamson, the auxiliary Bishop of The Society of St. Pius X brotherhood, went to a Zaitkofen castle near Regensburg, Germany, to make a Swedish convert Sten Sandmark into a deacon of the Society. On the sidelines, and totally unconnected with the function Bishop Williamson was attending, Stockholm TV reporter Ali Fagan interviewed the Bishop in the castle’s chapel on the latter’s belief that not one Jew was gassed in gas chambers by the Nazis during World War II based on what the Bishop had said in 1989 at Notre-Dame-de-Lourdes church in Sherbrooke, Canada. The interview was aired on 21 January 2009. Below is a transcript of this interview.
INTERVIEWER ALI FAGAN - « Bishop Williamson, are these your words? “There was not one Jew killed by the gas chambers. It was all lies, lies, lies.” Are these your words? »
BISHOP WILLIAMSON - « You are quoting from Canada, I believe, yes, many years ago. I believe that the historical evidence, the historical evidence is strongly against, is hugely against six million Jews having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolph Hitler. »
ALI FAGAN - « But you say not one Jew was killed. »
BISHOP WILLIAMSON - « In gas chambers. »
ALI FAGAN - « There was no gas chambers? »
BISHOP WILLIAMSON - « I believe there were no gas chambers, yes. I think, as far as I have studied the evidence, I am not going by emotion, as far as I have understood the evidence, I think, for instance, people who are against what is widely believed today about, quote unquote, the holocaust, I think that people, those people conclude, the revisionists as they are called, I think the most serious conclude that between 200- and 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps, but not one of them by gassing in a gas chamber.
You may have heard of the Leuchter Report. Fred Leuchter was an expert in gas chambers. He designed three gas chambers for three states, three of the fifty United States for the execution of criminals. So he knew what’s involved. And he studied what the supposed gas chambers in Germany, at some point of the 1980’s, what remains of the supposed gas chambers, the crematoria in Birkenau, Auschwitz for instance. And his conclusion, his expert conclusion was it’s impossible that these could ever have served for the gassing of large numbers of people, because cyanide gas is very dangerous. If you, let’s suppose you gas 300 people that you’ve crowded into one chamber and you gas them, and they were already wearing some clothes, for instance if they were wearing any clothes, it’s very dangerous to go in to pull out the corpses, because one whiff of gas that’s strapped in the clothing will kill the person. It’s extremely dangerous. In order to .., once you have gassed people, you’ve got to get rid of, you’ve got to evacuate the gas to be able to get into the chamber again and use it. To evacuate the gas you need a high chimney. If it’s a low chimney, the gas goes onto the pavement and kills anybody walking by. You need a high chimney, right. Forget how high he says it must be. If you, if there was a high chimney, then the shadow, most times of the day the shadow would have fallen on the ground, and the allied aerial photographers that flew over the camps would have picked up the shadow of this chimney. There were never any such shadows. There was no such chimney, which is Gordon Fred Leuchter’s testimony “there can’t have been gas chambers”. He looks at the doors, and then he says the door has to be absolutely airtight. Otherwise, again, the gas escapes and kills the people outside. The doors of the gas chamber that is shown to tourists in Auschwitz are absolutely not airtight, absolutely not. »
ALI FAGAN - « What you are saying now is that the Holocaust never occurred, not in the way historians see it today ».
BISHOP WILLIAMSON - « I am going by what I judge to be the historical evidence according to people who have observed and examined that evidence. I believe that what they conclude, if they change their conclusion, I would be liable to follow their conclusion because I think they judge by the evidence. I think that two to three hundred thousand Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps, but nothing like, but none of them via a gas chamber. »
ALI FAGAN - « But if this not anti-Semitism, what is anti-Semitism?
BISHOP WILLIAMSON - « Anti-Semitism, if anti-Semitism is bad, it’s against truth. If something is true, it’s not bad. I am not interested in the word anti-Semitism, I mean, the word is very dangerous ».
ALI FAGAN - « The Bishop [he does not say who] calls you anti-Semite ».
BISHOP WILLIAMSON - « The Bishop can call me, he can call me a Dinosaur, he can call me an idiot, he can call me what he likes. This is not a question of name calling. This is a question of historical truth. Historical truth goes by evidence and not by emotion. There’s certainly been a huge exploitation. Germany has paid out billions and billions of Deutschmarks and now Euros because the Germans have a guilt complex about their having gassed six million Jews. But I don’t think six million Jews were gassed. Now, be careful, I beg of you, this is against the law in Germany. You could have me thrown into prison before I leave Germany. I hope that’s not your intention. »
The Society of Saint Pius X
Vatican City, Jan 24, 2009 - In a move to achieve unity in the Church, « Pope Benedict XVI has lifted the excommunication of the four bishops [including Bishop Richard Williamson] from the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) ordained by Marcel Lefebvre in 1988 ». This Society was founded in 1970 by French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and celebrates the Mass in Latin to this day. The Bishops were excommunicated in 1988 by Pope Jean Paul II for defying his authority since the 1988 Episcopal consecrations were performed by the late Marcel Lefebvre without pontifical mandate. At the same time, the Society does not recognise the legitimacy of the Second Vatican Council which absolved the Jewish people of the charge of « deicide » (killing of a god, in this case Jesus) and adopted the term « anti-Semitism ». The Church has been criticised for allowing infiltration by Zionists for the benefit of Israel-in-Palestine. During WW2, Aron Jean-Marie Lustiger rejected Judaism and became a Catholic to save his life. Although he was admitted into the Church as a reward and became Archbishop in Paris, he claimed that he was still Jewish and a fervent supporter of Israel, and advocated that all Catholics are Jews. Born Karol Józef Wojtyła, the late Pope John Paul II, who excommunicated the Bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, had similar Polish roots to Archbishop Lustiger and, said to have a Jewish mother in the name of Emilia Kaczorowski (Emily Katz in English), he was raised exclusively among Jews. He also beatified other Jews who ‘converted’ to Christianity but who remained Jewish all the same, such as Edith Stein in 1987, who he later canonised. Pope John Paul II accepted the Zionists’ version of the holocaust and departed from the Vatican policy not to recognise Israel-in-Palestine and embraced the Jewish state while effectively condoning the Al Nakba-deniers.
Holocaust researchers, such as David Cole (son of Orthodox Jews), Pr Norman Finkelstein (another Jew), and many more Jews and non-Jews alike, have been persecuted for bringing what they believe to be the truth based on evidence which contradicts the contention that six million Jews were gassed by the Nazis during World War II. To prevent those truth seekers from stating researched facts and communicating their findings about the holocaust and the serious doubts cast over the alleged gassing of Jews, many European countries, including Germany, Austria and France, have passed draconian laws to force people to accept the Zionists’ version as an article of faith in the holocaust ‘religion’. Anyone who questions the holocaust is accused of being a ‘holocaust-denier’, an anti-Semite (a ‘Jew-hater’) or a ‘revisionist’, or all at the same time. The term ‘self-hating Jew’ is used to describe a Jew who questions the holocaust. Many so-called revisionists were forced to recant, such as David Cole. Bishop Williamson said he was not interested in the word « anti-Semitism ». In fact, Arabs of all faiths are regarded as the true Semites, and Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic as Semitic languages.
Many researchers also find it strange why the Nazi army, reputed as a killing machine, would go through the high expense of transporting 6 million Jews to concentration camps, pay their train tickets from France, for example, feed them for days, weeks, months and even years, in order to gas them. Many are also asking how the other 50-60 million victims of World War II were killed and why this is not regarded as the true holocaust also deserving reparation. It is argued that the holocaust is being kept alive as an ‘industry’ (ref. Pr Norman Finkelstein) in order to extract benefits and so that the ‘world’ can continue to accept the creation of Israel in Palestine, the stealing of Palestinian lands and the real and well documented holocaust of Palestinians. The beliefs of Bishop Richard Williamson are seen as a grave threat to the holocaust institution, monopolised by Jews, and to Israel as the Church tries to maintain unity and integrity and starts to reject the counterfeit ‘Church’ of Judeo-Masonry within the Church proper.
Mel Gibson’s « The Passion of the Christ » depicting the truth of the charge of « deicide » never shown before by an equally Zionist-controlled Hollywood has sent the Judeo-Masonry institution reeling and attacking Mel Gibson, a fervent Catholic, as an anti-Semite.
« Even the Auschwitz museum has lowered the number of Jews killed there from 4 million to 1.5 million, and Red Cross records reveal far fewer than 1 million deaths », point out many researchers. Although Bishop Williamson said that, based upon the evidence, he believes that there was not a single Jew gassed in gas chambers by the Nazis in WW2, he is being attacked in various Jewish quarters and in a pro-Jewish section of the Church as well and being called all sorts of names. Many argue that, like Jesus Christ, Bishop Williamson has a penchant for speaking the truth - See John 8:44 : « Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. » It is not denied that a great number of Jews died in Nazi concentration camps and during the war, but there were many more non-Jews who also died in those camps, and there were also many other holocausts. For example, millions of Christians were killed in the Soviet Union at the hands of mainly Jewish Communists, many of whom immigrated to Israel after 1948.
M Rafic Soormally
02 February 2009